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Lien Ceuleman

As the eldest of 3, Lien Ceulemal grow up in a small and modest family. She always felt the need to gently push some boundaries, while feeling at the same time, that she had to stay in line. Lien studied law at the University of Leuven in Belgium, and did one year of Erasmus in Spain. During that year, she discovered that she loved being in an international community. She’s always had big dreams and wanted to make the world a better place.

Dive into her High Tech in High Heels profile and get to know the woman behind the technology.

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Get to know Lien

Your career in a glance

Applied for scholarships, went to Stanford University and did an LLM in Technology Law there, which was the most amazing experience. Moved to London to work for Salesforce as their company lawyer. Started feeling more confident, starting leading a team of privacy lawyers and became head of privacy for Salesforce globally. Discovered that what makes me most happy is seeing others grow and be part of the business. Strong focus also on ethics and privacy. Went to Google Cloud following my biggest sponsors to become a Chief of Staff for the EMEA President and help truly driving the business. Was a big jump leaving my legal function. Got an offer to move back to Salesforce to become the country leader for Salesforce BeLux — love what I do leading a fantastic organisation with cutting edge technology, but foremost the best people. Ultimately I love people the most, so while it has been a rollercoaster taking on this role as I had to learn a lot, it had been a great journey so far.

Describe yourself in 3 words

  • Positive
  • Kind
  • Authentic

On a scale of 1 to 5, where are you today in life?

On a scale of 1 to 5, where are you today in your career?

On a scale of 1 to 5, how happy are you today with your life?

Your favorite book?

I am a massive fan of Brené Brown’s books; her ideas have long appealed to me. Her books, such as ‘Dare To Lead’ and TED Talks have helped me develop my own management style.

Brené Brown has made me think about empathetic, values-driven, authentic leadership. I also feel more confident as a leader as a result. After all, you don’t always have to know everything. To combine this through leadership with a strong culture of accountability, I can also recommend ‘The Power of Vulnerability’.

Your favorite quote?

“Culture eats strategy for breakfast” It all starts with the culture you build. I also have this quote hanging in my house: “This is your world. Shape it or someone else will.”

What childhood passion have you lost to adulthood?

I have always been very passionate about history and reading historical novels. About the World War: all the books from Thea Beckman, including Hasse Simonsdaughter (a great book about being different and maybe even feminism!).

In my ‘adult life’ and in my role at Salesforce, I am in the middle of innovation and exponential technology driving our future, so sometimes it feels this balance is moving a bit too much to these future aspects which might leave less room for my passion for history.

I do however think that we can only shape the future if we understand our history. The same is true for people, once you understand their history and where they come from, you understand who they are better. I love to do introspection and think about who I am and how my past, upbringing, family and experience made me who I am.

Which passion or pastime will you never let go of?

People and understanding them. I love to know who people are, what drives them, and why the way we behave. This is also why I love my job — I can bring people together, find values that unite us and operate from that framework as a starting point, to do something bigger.

Your dream for a completely different second career?

Study psychology or history and do social experiments to learn about who we are, why we behave in a certain way and understand the human mind and society better. Ultimately making the world a better place by doing that.

Cut loose from all strings, what would you like to do with your life?

Continue to find ways to help people, maybe go and work for the UN again and become a human rights lawyer. I would also love to just paint abstract paintings.

“I love to do introspection and think about who I am and how my past, upbringing, family and experience made me who I am.”

Lien’s career

Your work motivations?

My colleagues and the people around me. Work is a big part of someone's life, so I'm extremely motivated and feel it's also part of my responsibility to make that part meaningful and fun for people. If we have more fun at work, things are just better! Everything we do can have an impact on others and I can make a difference in people’s careers, wellbeing, their families... The best is to see people grow and learn. And I also love to learn each day, being a bit outside of my comfort zone from time to time.

Your family’s contribution to your career?

My family means everything to me. I am super thankful for my upbringing, my parents, grandparents and my 2 sisters. Even if it was not always easy (my parents divorced and I felt I needed to take on a responsibility that I did not really understand), they made me who I am. After working abroad nearly 10 years, it’s my family that brought me back to Belgium to rejoin Salesforce. My partner lives in Denmark, so I spent my time in 2 countries. With him, I feel at home and at ease. My sister had 2 small girls who are just the funniest and sweetest. So family keeps me grounded and connected. While they always come first, I have learned over time to actually put them first in my actions instead of being carried away by work.

The biggest obstacles to career growth in our industry?

Maybe we are our biggest obstacle -- holding back, doubts or insecurities. That is why I continue to do introspection and learn to understand myself better -- not necessarily to overcome issues or negative things, but just to be a better person and continue to grow. I have been working with a therapist for a long time, and I just love to discover new things about myself and the world and people around me.

Your biggest obstacles facing the technology industry?

Thinking I needed to be super technical and understand how to code and such to be good at my job.
Male-dominated environment and how to be true to myself.

What have you gotten noticed for throughout your career?

I hope my leadership and ability to build a culture of trust and openness, bringing people together and together be better.

The major accelerators for success in our field?

I strongly believe that values are the most important accelerators for success, starting with my personal number one which is trust and respect. If you don’t have trust - with your employees, your partners, your customers, there is nothing. Furthermore, it’s not only about having them and talking about them, but also making them come to live in everything you do, in every decision you make. Being yourself, but continuously trying to be a better version and grow.

What question do you get asked more often in your line of work?

How do I do it all (I don't ;-)) and where I find my energy?

How is it to be surrounded my men? How it is to be surrounded my more experienced people?

Do you have kids (I don't, but my partner has 2 lovely teenagers)? Do you want kinds?
Is it not tiring to move back and forth between 2 countries
For the last 2 questions people seem to continue to be stuck by traditional patterns.

What do you enjoy most about your job?

The people -- and the ability to make a difference, also with the technology we bring.

Your role models and mentors?

The only way to get better is to learn from others, and I am lucky to be surrounded by amazing people. I don't have one role model or mentor, but continue to pick up things from others each day (what they say, how to act, the feedback they give, the mistakes they make). I am sure that every career step I made is thanks to the sponsors I had.

Speaking about people, I love Adam Grant and his podcast (and book 'Think again!'). Also, huge admiration for Sheryl Sandberg (starting lean in -- it was an eye opener for me and her book about loss Option B helped me a lot to deal with the grief of my best friend passing away).
They help me think long-term but also highlight the importance to take good care of myself and remain resilient.

Also love Jessica Pearson -- the fictive character in Suits. She is powerful, sets boundaries, is ambitious. I would love to be a bit more like her and be more firm.

Your golden piece of advice to young women starting out in technology

Go for it -- you can do it. But it is OK to just be you! The worst thing that can happen is that it does not work out and then you restart and keep your head up. If it does work out, the world of tech is fast-paced and different each day, full of opportunities.

And you can make a difference. Always stay curious and open to learn, explore new things and don't hold back -- you can do more than you think.

"Family always comes first. I have learned over time to actually put them first in my actions instead of being carried away by work."

What is your leadership style?

Collaborative, open, and transparent, starting with a great culture. I strongly believe in transparency and providing feedback, creating a psychologically safe space for people to grow and mess up!

Which supporting skills have helped you most as a leader?

Empathy, emotional intelligence, focus. Focus in the new IQ 😉

How have you gained commitment from your team?

Listen first. Give space. Act fast when needed. Transparency.

How do you make decisions?

With my gut

Describe a mistake you made handling a customer service problem and how you would handle it now.

Going ahead thinking you know how to handle the issue based on similar issues without fully listening and understanding where the issue comes from and what is causing it. Always deeply listen and understand, don't assume. And don't just fix it yourself -- so listening, questioning, verifying, staying connected on what the problem actually is and how to solve it together.

How do you keep in mind the customer experience in your daily work?

By connecting the dots of every customer engagement.

What are you learning now that will be useful in the future?

Saying no more often.

I just read this from Adam Grant yesterday on LinkedIn and loved it: "Achieving your goals is not about being more efficient in your tasks. It is about being more selective in your commitments. More free time in the future is an illusion. You won't be less busy -- you'll be busy with new priorities. If it is not an enthusiastic yes, it is a no."

How has being a woman affected your career?

Positively

Would you recommend a career in technology to young girls?

Absolutely!

Let’s get technical

Explain the technology that drives your current business.

Customer 360 -- meaning technology that helps you to better understand your customers at any point in time and through every engagement. This creates more loyal connections. Generative AI will be the next big thing -- need for keeping into account ethics, privacy and security at all times to avoid bias and keep data safe and secure. Technology is amazing, but only if it can be trusted.

What is technology for you?

Building and changing the future -- it changes the way people work and live, and it can make the world a better place.

What are your views on future technology trends?

First, data insights are increasingly crucial as businesses navigate uncertainties. In 2023, there will be a growing trend of businesses using real-time data to provide key insights and trusted decision-making to mitigate risk in unstable conditions and maximize business impact. To do this, companies will need to invest in data skills and tools to turn data insights into actions that drive business outcomes.

Secondly, personalization will become even more essential. As consumers become more discerning about where they spend their money, businesses that offer personalized experiences in real-time will stand out from the competition and inspire loyalty.

And thirdly, with so much changing companies are forced to grapple with new ethical questions, and customers are watching closely. A recent study found that 66% of customers have stopped buying from a company because their values didn’t align. Companies should ensure their business upholds ethical standards worthy of their customers’ trust.

In your opinion, what is the greatest technological invention and why?

The internet -- making information accessible and building greater connection. The compass -- making travel more secure and opening up the world to explore.

Rate these technologies from highest to least impact on business.

  1. AI
  2. Blockchain
  3. Smartphones
  4. Smart concepts (cities, buildings, ...)
  5. Social Media
  6. IoT
  7. Chat GPT
  8. 6G
  9. Edge cloud
  10. Human-like robots
  11. 3D printing
  12. Security

Can technology do good for society, or would it be better off without it? Explain.

Absolutely good for society. Technology in itself is most of the time neutral, it is up to us to build a legal, ethical and societal framework around it -- how to use it, why, when to ensure it does do good for society. Importance of trusted technology.

How do you keep your technology skills up to date?

Always learning and being curious. Using it -- not being afraid to try.

Explain which online tools facilitate your job?

Using hundreds of online tools, but picking one that is top of mind for me. Love my new e-notebook to write down my to do's, notes, but also just brainstorm and write about things and ideas.

Your favorite websites?

Wanting to keep it light for now -- love browsing my inspiration on fashion websites and seeing makeup artists transforming people. All news sites -- cannot be without them.

Your favorite and least favorite technology products?

Favorite: love my smartphone -- for pictures, reading, relaxing, finding my way, listening to podcast. Most importantly for staying connected to my family.

Least favorite: Super hard question -- any technology wrongly used to spread fake news and inform people in the wrong way, undermine democracy

How are you balancing your priorities and those of the stakeholders?

Learning to say no to the right things - Listening and finding common interest.

“I strongly believe that values are the most important accelerators for success, starting with my personal number one which is trust and respect. If you don’t have trust - with your employees, your partners, your customers, there is nothing. ”

The woman behind the technology

What makes each human unique?

How we think and act differently. Our past.

Does success compensate for value or morality?

Simple -- no. Succes is also very relative; what does it ever mean.

What is the relationship between the mind and the body?

Mind body connection is super important - our thoughts and feelings also influence how we feel and our health.

This or that?

Read the instruction manual
Early adopter
Laptop
Apple
Fail at something
Listen to the mind
IOS
E-book
Flying cars
Google
Email
Brainstorming session
Packed lunch
Work late
High Heels

Just figure it out
Proven enthusiast
Desktop
Windows
Never attempt it
Listen to the body
Android
Physical book

Personal robots

Bing
Phone call
Solo research
Cafeteria
Start early

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